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per adesso ho trovato solo un report con la passiflora, in effetti gli effetti sono simili...

Il leggendario fiore di Loto

posta pure

ecco vedo che acque ha "centrato" il punto.....cio

sei un vulcano di farmacologia^^
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Per quanto ne so io credo che la specie più forte, parlando di effetti sedativi, sia proprio la cerulea. Inoltre, se non mi sbaglio, la ninfea sacra è proprio la cerulea. Veniva usata dagli egizi.

Mitragyna, u sound like you got pretty confused by conflicting information you read or heard about Blue Lilly (Nymphaea Caerulea) and Sacred Lotus (Nelumbo Nucifera). A lot of websites erroneously refer to the main active compound in Lilly as Apomorphine which is incorrect. Aporphine is the actual chemical in it. And yes, Apomorphine is an opioid and it has no relation to Aporphine at all. The only reference I've ever read to Apomorphine came from Bill Burroughs' autobiography, Junky, where he mentions that Apomorphine helped him deal with the withdrawals of smack. The only thing I remember reading about the pharmacological action of Aporphine is that it has some sort of effect on dopamine.

As was stated by the poster above me Sacred Lotus contains Nuciferine, which as I recall is defined as an "anti-spasmodic". I'm unsure whether Nelumbo Nucifera also has Aporphine in it. I don't know where all the confusion started that Lilly and Lotus had opioids in them and why to this day it's continued. Most users don't find Lilly and Lotus to feel much like Opiates at all, including me.

It's amusing to see how many plants get compared each day on forums to alcohol, ganja, opiates or x, simply because often these are the drugs that people have the most personal experience with so they automatically compare plants they try to them...

nelumbo N and Blue lilly constituents - 21st March 2007, 11:42 AM
Hello All
interesting research has been conducted latley with these materials,
seems that their has been alot of misinformation about the blue lilly alsk( I am also guilty in this) sorry.

preliminary alks present in nelumbo N material
are nuciferine, nor nuciferine, roemerine, and a few others,

these are of the aporphine group of alkaloids, as far as I can tell no plant contains apomorphine (as has been stated) as it is usually a by -product of extraction procedures.
and for the lilly heres a blurp I found on isolation of alks in the alba specie,
which is similar to the blue lilly.
The MeOH extract (89.5 g) of N. ampla was fractionated
>>>>>by percolation on silica gel obtaining four
>>>>>fractions: n-hexane (10.8 g), CH2Cl2 (15.3 g), CH2Cl2–
>>>>>MeOH (1:1, 39.6 g) and MeOH (10.1 g).The fraction
>>>>>soluble in CH2Cl2:MeOH (1:1) was subjected to silica
>>>>>gel CC (600 g) eluted with a gradient of n–hexane–
>>>>>CH2Cl2–MeOH (80:20:00–00:50:50) to afford 78 fractions.
>>>>>These fractions were pooled into seven fractions
>>>>>(NA-1 to NA-7) according to their similar TLC behavior.
>>>>>CC purification of NA-1 (10.3 g), performed with
>>>>>gradient of n-hexano–CH2Cl2 afforded b-sitosterol
>>>>>(4.8 g). Fraction NA-5 (8.4 g) was purified by CC using
>>>>>CH2Cl2–MeOH (95:05) as isocratic eluent to afford
>>>>>methyl gallate (7, 923.5 mg, 0.09%, m.p. 147–149 C)
>>>>>(Fiuza et al., 2004). Fraction NA-6 (6.8 g) was purified
>>>>>by CC using gradient elution CH2Cl2–MeOH
>>>>>(95:5 ! 0:100) to give 48 fractions. According to
>>>>>differences in composition monitored by TLC, four fractions
>>>>>(NA-6A to NA-6D) were obtained. Fraction NA-
>>>>>6C (0.253 g) was subjected to Si gel CC, eluting with a
>>>>>gradient of CH2Cl2–MeOH (98:02 ! 50:50) to yield 15
>>>>>fractions (NA-6C1 to NA-6C15). Fractions 8–12, eluted
>>>>>with CH2Cl2–MeOH (8:2) were purified by reversedphase
>>>>>preparative TLC using a mixture of
>>>>>H2O–CH3CN–MeOH (3:2:1) to yield 7,30,40-trihydroxy-
>>>>>5-O-b-D-(200-acetyl)-xylopyrnosylisoflavone (1,
>>>>>0.001%, 12 mg, m.p. 176–178 C) and quercetin 3-rhamnoside
>>>>>(4, 0.002%, 15 mg, m.p. 164–166 C) (Markham
>>>>>et al., 1978). Fractions 13–15, eluted with CH2Cl2–
>>>>>MeOH (3:2) were purified by reversed-phase RP18
>>>>>column chromatography using a gradient of H2O–
>>>>>CH3CN–MeOH (80:15:05! 60:30:20) to yield
>>>>>quercetin 3-xylopyranoside (5, 14 mg, 0.002%, m.p.
>>>>>183–185 C) (Mabry et al., 1970) and quercetin 3-glucoside

seems that it contains mostly isoflavoniods and no nuciferine.

this is some info I learned from a discussion with a fellow researcher
on these specie,
I am attemptng to perform this separation stated above and test each individual compound for activitie,

as of now I no nuciferine and is n and nor varities are sedating, smooth muscle relaxants.
again this is an ongoing process and is not the word of god LOL

will keep all informed in this testing
peace

Nymphaea Caerulea = Egyptian Blue Water Lilly

Nymphaea Ampla = Mayan White Lilly

Nelumbo Nucifer = The Sacred Lotus, Pink Lotus

I tried my sample last night. Good stuff. This was by far the best blue extract I've ever tried. Great job Mitragyna! You are certainly on to something here.

Blue lotus is something that I find is great with kratom, but i did not want to have that synergy with this does...so I at first tried it by itself. taste great.

I took on an empty stomach, then added small amount of wine...about 1/2 a glass and a a glass of water. started to feel it already...just a nice happy subtle warm feeling. Had my dinner with a full glass of wine...this was good. I did not want anything else for the remainder of the evening....This is uncommon for me. I ended up going to bed about an hour early...slept really well, had good dreams, woke up about 20 minutes before my alarm refreshed ready for a new day.

The guy who made this has done something I have yet to see with the other blue lotus extracts. I liked that it was not tar like but more like a powder. The effects were there. I like the dryness of the product. I hate the gummy tar that one often gets...it sticks to the inside of a baggy and is a mess. this was not...and I felt it...not always the case with some of the other extracts I've tried. I will say that one vendor on this board once sent me a capsule of Blue lotus he described as 20x. I also liked that a lot, but when I ordered blue lotus extract from him again....I just got the same ol tar in a bag. I never purchased anymore. Mitragyna has restored my faith in blue lotus extracts.

Gnugno, perdonami, ma quali effetti stupefacenti o coadiuvanti avrebbe l'escolzia?

effetti sinergici, l'escolzia è un comprovato rilassante/ipnoinducente.
insieme ad esempio al "californian poppy" o Argemone Mexicana ad esempio produce effetti sedativi maggiori dei due effetti presi singolarmente.
come ad esempio la valeriana col luppolo o la passiflora con l'iperico o la malva con l'altea...

Ipnoinducente?
Francamente non l'ho mai notato, ma in che quantità?

Sì ma alla fin fine..a che pro?

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